ABSTRACT
Imagine the scene. Two pastors are animatedly discussing a parishioner with whom one has been counseling. We overhear that part of the conversation when Pastor Phyllis concludes that Pastor Fred's parishioner is "obviously struggling with an endogenous depression exacerbated by low self-esteem . . . he is definitely moving out of an 'I'm not okay, you're okay' position, and if only he can strengthen his adult, he will reach greater wholeness. "
