To contribute to a critical discussion on the various scenes, it seemed appropriate to write a book that also considers the voices of the protagonists of those years. Each chapter will be associated with a conversation with a designer, collective member, politician, local administrator, activist or scholar. The fifth conversation is with Dorit Baumeister. She was until 2020 head of Lienig & Baumeister Architekten in Hoyerswerda. Since 2021 she has been Head of the Department for urban planning and development in Weißwasser, Saxony. Over the years, she has been initiator and curator for social-cultural projects concerning urban development in shrinking cities: Superumbau, Hier bin ich geborn …, and Verwunschene Orte among others.