EB: Yes. Before the war, I started a school for German refugee children.
PLR: How did you come to do that?
PLR: And when the war came along, you shifted to work with English people?
EB: No. It was just Jews getting together. They knew I was interested because I had started a school, so I was put on these committees. I also knew quite a lot of people in one way or another. But once the war started, that was over. I then had a lot of children-other people's children-living with me in my house. I was terribly active, as one is, and worried. And so I did go to London, which I guess was wrong, because I had children of my own and shouldn't have left. But I went to Oxford with the children to get them out of the house where we were, which was in a dangerous location. I started working in a Citizens' Advice Bureau there because I wanted to do something moderately useful. Then, when I went back to where we lived, which was not far from London, I started these Bureaus in London. It was there that I learned about my lack of knowledge about human relations and how people wanted to talk. At the end of the war, when I was working with the Family Welfare Association and these Citizens' Advice Bureaus, I met a marvelous man, Dr. Tommy Wilson. During the war he had been in the officer selection committees, where he
worked with Bion and Rickman. He also worked in a hospital for officers with nervous difficulties.