Thomas James: Sixteen, it is said…. Yes, that’s when I left for school [in 1925]. That was when the policeman [the Indian police responsible for enrolling children in school] came to visit. I left with my late grandfather, Tsinaajinii Hastiin…. I rode double with him on his horse as we went to the school [in Chinle]. I wore a hair bun…. There, they cut off and threw away my hair bun. That is how I started school. There were a lot of older and taller [over-age] students in school.