ABSTRACT
First I review my long and fruitful association with Zia, starting with our meeting at the Council for Science and Society. We met over the years in a variety of places, and he was essential in the promotion of Post Normal Science. He also helped in the publication of my various books. I see his Post Normal Times as a natural outgrowth of the cautiously radical message of Post Normal Science. This offers a essential complementary vision, especially now that the Euro-American Empire has taken another downward lurch. What comes next? I conclude with a list of keywords that would define a new rejuvenated natural science. They conclude with compassion, a topic on which Zia and I are in deep agreement.
